I like them together. Sue me. But then again, I’ve always liked Scott Foley, ever since Felicity.
He’ll probably be broken as hell though if he ever gets out of that hole however. And any affection for Liv that he has will probably have been brainwashed out of him, a la Huck and his family. :-(
The sex tape with Jake is probably going to be used to get Liv out of the outed-affair-with-the-President mess though IMO. (Assuming whoever leaked it dosen’t have proof of Liv and Fitz being together). I care more about Olivia’s career as a fixer being saved more than anything right now.
I’m also still of the opinion that Jake and Fitz are somehow related.
Just some random thoughts. Contains spoilers for the season finale:
- Rowan is not Olivia’s father’s real name. Like Huck and Charle (and Becky) he chose that name for himself when he became part of B613.
- Maybe her dad was kinda like Huck, but got involved with the CIA, and then had to leave Olivia behind when he became a member - or helped in the founding of - B613.
- Cyrus and Rowan were friends or something when they were younger. Maybe even worked together. It’s clear that Cyrus knew Rowan in a more informal way than just as the guy who is the head of a secret Black Ops division of the CIA.
- Cyrus and Rowan knowing each other in a personal way would also go a ways of explaining Liv saying she’s known Cyrus a long time. Of course she has, if Cyrus and her dad were friends when she was growing up.
- I think Olivia’s mom is dead. And I think her death has something to do with Olivia’s sadness that was hinted at in the episode Seven Fifty-two, as well as that speech to Huck in that same episode about living on the dark side of the moon.
- Olivia probably knew her dad worked for the Government - maybe even the CIA - but she, of course, would have no idea that he was Black Ops. (Again, for anyone who is confused, he’s not the head of the CIA, he’s the head of B613 the Black Ops Assassins group of the CIA).
- When her dad left her for B613 - because I think he did, and probably didn’t look back much - Cyrus took Olivia under his wing. I think she was mostly grown-up at that point, maybe just heading off to college, but he became a friend and mentor to his friend’s daughter.
- And, for Olivia - in a strange way - Cyrus took over the role of her dad to her. Which would also explain why, no matter how ruthless Cyrus can be, she still cares for him and can even call him her best friend. Because, compared to her real dad, Cyrus is actually a bit less ruthless than him. (In Olivia’s eyes).
stephanieedwards:
everyone who’s pissed at the scandal finale just because olitz didn’t get a happy ending
this is a SHONDA RHIMES show. did you really think it would happen? like for real?
Honestly, I kinda wonder if they’re new to television with some of the griping I’m seeing. Because this is honestly the first Shonda Rhimes show I’ve ever watched. And I never expected Liv and Fitz to be “happily ever after” at the end of the season.
How many major couples on a TV show have ever gotten and stayed together this early in a series. Really?
Honestly, one show I had to wait almost 10 freaking seasons before my OTP got together (Smallville).
*shrug*
Got a problem with things you think are plot holes? Fine. But this? Again, you must be new to this.
yngblkprofessor:
say-it-aint-so81:
yngblkprofessor:
cbrownjc:
yngblkprofessor:
belindapendragon:
scandalgladiators:
beaucoupjolie:
“I can’t leave them.’
COP OUT BULLSHIT!
Just when I was beaming with pride over Olivia putting her big girl panties on and fighting for her man and a life with her man…she hits the bricks and runs away yet again… Now explain to me how is it I am supposed for root for her, root for them????
He KILLED someone! Am I the only one who understands why she would want some space? Just because the man loves her doesn’t mean she should always be willing to forgive and forget right away. She fixed an election and while single slept with another man. He KILLED another human being!!! Unless she is a sociopath, she should take some time to think about the type of man she is committing to. Maybe I am just cray cray but I think would be traumatized to hear that the person I love actually used his own hands to kill another human being!!!
SERIOUSLY! Thank you!
She found out the man she loves killed someone. HE. IS. A . MURDERER.
Once again. Olivia found out the man she loved killed someone in cold blood. She’s just supposed to ignore that? Let that go?
The fact that she wasn’t afraid of him, but just needed some space, probably knew that what she did wrt Defiance drove that man to kill another human being isn’t supposed to affect her at all? Bull.
Liv did nothing wrong here. And if anyone tries to say it no, this is not even in the same league as Liv sleeping with Jake. Fitz may have been hurt by that, but he damn well - thankfully - knew he shouldn’t be a hypocrite about that since he a Liv were not together when she did that.
The man she loved killed a person in cold blood because she broke him that much when she agreed to rig his election. The fact that she isn’t afraid to be in that room with him is a blessing in itself. Remember when she though he ordered the hit on Amanda? And accused him of it? His reply was that she knew him and that he would never do something like that. And then she finds THIS out?
No. Not a cop-out she wanted to take some space away from him. Not IMO at least. And I, for one, and glad this show didn’t have Liv go “oh well, who cares?” about it all. THAT would have been a cop-out.
Co-sign the bolded!!!
Cold blood means implies no motive or explanation. He murdered the lady who had him shot with a high velocity weapon, because she rigged his election unbeknownst to him (some more don’t make sense, nosense) Then after ole girl tried to have him wiped off the face of the earth because of her bad, she wants to go and tell and get ALL of them, including the person who had nothing to do with it, sent to jail. Nope. Cold blood doesn’t apply here at all. This was a mercy killing. He gave that old bat a gentle shove to the other side. It wouldn’t even been cold blood if he hired a sniper to get Verna ass in that hospital bed. It would have been even!!! And I see no room anywhere here for Liv to judge. Nowhere in this scenario should SHE need a moment. She needs to send him a thank you card, cause she could be sitting in jail right now and they do not let you rock white!
^ True! My point is that Olivia is just finding out that he KILLED Verna with his own two hands. Think about that. Imagine hearing that the same hands he has used to make love to you are the same hands he used to murder someone. I’m not saying that Fitz is a bad person. I would have done the same thing! I was rooting for him to off Verna. But if I was Olivia, I would need some space to process the fact that my boo committed murder…
Just saying :)
Okay, this is getting into legal semantic.
Technically, what Fitz did was Second Degree Murder. He didn’t go into that hospital room planing to kill Verna, but he did it when she made it clear that she was going to expose Defiance to the Feds.
Fitz did NOT kill Verna in an act of mercy. He killed her to shut her up. Let’s not re-write history here people.
So yeah. Crime of passion. Second Degree Murder, he’d still go to jail for 25 to life over it if it ever got out.
yngblkprofessor:
cbrownjc:
yngblkprofessor:
belindapendragon:
scandalgladiators:
beaucoupjolie:
“I can’t leave them.’
COP OUT BULLSHIT!
Just when I was beaming with pride over Olivia putting her big girl panties on and fighting for her man and a life with her man…she hits the bricks and runs away yet again… Now explain to me how is it I am supposed for root for her, root for them????
He KILLED someone! Am I the only one who understands why she would want some space? Just because the man loves her doesn’t mean she should always be willing to forgive and forget right away. She fixed an election and while single slept with another man. He KILLED another human being!!! Unless she is a sociopath, she should take some time to think about the type of man she is committing to. Maybe I am just cray cray but I think would be traumatized to hear that the person I love actually used his own hands to kill another human being!!!
SERIOUSLY! Thank you!
She found out the man she loves killed someone. HE. IS. A . MURDERER.
Once again. Olivia found out the man she loved killed someone in cold blood. She’s just supposed to ignore that? Let that go?
The fact that she wasn’t afraid of him, but just needed some space, probably knew that what she did wrt Defiance drove that man to kill another human being isn’t supposed to affect her at all? Bull.
Liv did nothing wrong here. And if anyone tries to say it no, this is not even in the same league as Liv sleeping with Jake. Fitz may have been hurt by that, but he damn well - thankfully - knew he shouldn’t be a hypocrite about that since he a Liv were not together when she did that.
The man she loved killed a person in cold blood because she broke him that much when she agreed to rig his election. The fact that she isn’t afraid to be in that room with him is a blessing in itself. Remember when she though he ordered the hit on Amanda? And accused him of it? His reply was that she knew him and that he would never do something like that. And then she finds THIS out?
No. Not a cop-out she wanted to take some space away from him. Not IMO at least. And I, for one, and glad this show didn’t have Liv go “oh well, who cares?” about it all. THAT would have been a cop-out.
Co-sign the bolded!!!
Thank you.
I’m sorry but I can’t even with it comes to this moment and hurt shippers. Honestly, it’s starting you in the FACE why she did this Olitz fans. Right in the freaking-face, but Liv is just supposed to do what? Just go “oh well, fuck it, who cares?” My respect for her - and the idea she wears a “white hat” - would have flown out of the freaking window wrt her character if she’d done that after finding that news out.
SHE. BROKE. HIM. TO. THE. POINT. OF. MURDER. HE. KILLED. SOMEONE. BECAUSE. OF. SOMETHING. SHE. DID.
The fact that she only did THIS after finding it out is actually a very mature handling of it, all thing considered IMO. Because if she could make him do THAT, that’s got to freak her the fuck out IMO.
yngblkprofessor:
belindapendragon:
scandalgladiators:
beaucoupjolie:
“I can’t leave them.’
COP OUT BULLSHIT!
Just when I was beaming with pride over Olivia putting her big girl panties on and fighting for her man and a life with her man…she hits the bricks and runs away yet again… Now explain to me how is it I am supposed for root for her, root for them????
He KILLED someone! Am I the only one who understands why she would want some space? Just because the man loves her doesn’t mean she should always be willing to forgive and forget right away. She fixed an election and while single slept with another man. He KILLED another human being!!! Unless she is a sociopath, she should take some time to think about the type of man she is committing to. Maybe I am just cray cray but I think would be traumatized to hear that the person I love actually used his own hands to kill another human being!!!
SERIOUSLY! Thank you!
She found out the man she loves killed someone. HE. IS. A . MURDERER.
Once again. Olivia found out the man she loved killed someone in cold blood. She’s just supposed to ignore that? Let that go?
The fact that she wasn’t afraid of him, but just needed some space, probably knew that what she did wrt Defiance drove that man to kill another human being isn’t supposed to affect her at all? Bull.
Liv did nothing wrong here. And if anyone tries to say it no, this is not even in the same league as Liv sleeping with Jake. Fitz may have been hurt by that, but he damn well - thankfully - knew he shouldn’t be a hypocrite about that since he a Liv were not together when she did that.
The man she loved killed a person in cold blood because she broke him that much when she agreed to rig his election. The fact that she isn’t afraid to be in that room with him is a blessing in itself. Remember when she though he ordered the hit on Amanda? And accused him of it? His reply was that she knew him and that he would never do something like that. And then she finds THIS out?
No. Not a cop-out she wanted to take some space away from him. Not IMO at least. And I, for one, and glad this show didn’t have Liv go “oh well, who cares?” about it all. THAT would have been a cop-out.
yngblkprofessor:
STOP! No one is here for this….
Is this supposed to be a heartwarming affirmation of marriage? Staying married because the person you really want, doesn’t want you, is beyond pathetic. Did Star or Wendy write this episode?
I said it before, I’ll say it again. Until Fitz grows up, and can stand on his own, by himself, without needing someone to love him in order to feel worth or whatever the hell, I could care less if he and Olivia are together. I, frankly, would rather they not be.
Fitz could have still divorced Mellie, Liv or no Liv. But, instead, he went crawling back to Mellie. That says a LOT IMO.
At least he didn’t get all hypocritical about Liv sleeping with Jake. I can handle him being weak. I couldn’t handle him being a hypocrite.
(Source: euphoria1001)
fishnbanjos:
Also, I thought Fitz and Olivia’s thoughts on how a conversation on race was going to happen was naive as hell. Fitz might not know better, but Olivia should.
Yeah. This.
I mean, I do think a dialog about race would have happened. It just wouldn’t have been a very nice one. And sorry, but the Republican Party would have split in half if it had gone down like that. Only the moderate Republican-types like Fitz would have saw it as a possible opportunity. The right-wing Tea Party former-Dixiecrat types would have raised holy hell or bolted.
But you know what? I still liked that the show put all that out there in this senario. And I kinda think they went there because they had to set up Liv getting outed. Because, again, realistically, this isn’t going to be pretty next season on the subject of race with Liv outed as the “misstress” now. I mean, maybe their will be no proof and Liv can just deny, deny, deny. But if there IS proof? Oh boy.
And even if there isn’t, slurs will be said, even if they are just whispers. Again, if the show is realistic when it comes to this angle, this IS what would happen.
I think that’s why I really liked that fairytale like - and this not being one - from Cyrus tonight. Because the senario Liv came up with was, in a way, a fairytale. The reality is less pretty to look at.
scandalmoments:
cbrownjc:
scandalmoments:
White Hat’s Back On Cliffhanger moment….
I knew it. How many other people knew it?
Liv getting outed as Fitz’s lover was more of a cliffhanger for me personally.
Let’s focus on that too! Who leaked that Olitz connection to the press..and why? Who pulled the trigger? That’s the cliffhanger! Who outed Olitz? #WhoOutedOlitz
Said this in another post, but I’ll paste it here:
I think there are three suspects on who leaked Liv’s name. In order of who I think it could be from most-likely on down:
1. Her dad. He seriously did not want her and Fitz together anymore, to the point of sending Jake to sleep with her. All we know is that he is deep CIA Black Ops And for someone who asked, no actually family members wouldn’t know if a member of their family was in a secret CIA Black Ops division. (He dad isn’t head of the CIA, he’s head of the secret B613 Black Ops division of the CIA).
2. Mellie. Why? Revenge. And to keep Liv and Fitz far-fucking apart. (No way she gets within 10 feet of Fitz now while this news is out there).
3. Cyrus. Because, well, we know why. Plus, he knew B613 tried to kill Liv over her involvement w/Fitz. And lets face it, Cyrus knows first hand that Fitz and Liv are usually able to be “over” for a few months at most before the drama between them stats up again. Outing her as his mistress would, in Cyrus’ mind, probably help save her life. (And whatever other advantages come for Fitz getting a second term, even better)
One thing I am sure of though is that Fitz did not leak her name. Because there is no advantage for him to do that. Even when he was pissed off at her, he didn’t go that far. And if he ever wanted her back so they could try and pull off the senario Liv came up with, it’s going to be next to impossible to do so now.
(Source: killerbeckett)
